Good evening everyone. Just dropping by for another update for you on the developing winter storm that will be rolling our way Monday night Through Wednesday with a possible second system for Thursday. I have been making my thoughts clear in recent days that the potential is there for a big time snow and ice event across the entire region. The models are still waffling a bit as you would expect… but the trend is clear that Kentucky is likely to be in the middle of a significant winter storm.
Instead of me doing the talking here… let’s see what the NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER has to say about it…
Chance of 4″+ snows Monday night/Tuesday
Chance of 8″+ snows Monday night/Tuesday
Chance For Significant Ice Monday Night/Tuesday
Check out their discussion…
DAY 3…
SOUTH CENTRAL PLAINS THROUGH LOWER OH VALLEY…
POTENTIAL DANGEROUS WINTER WEATHER SCENARIO IS SHAPING UP ACROSS A
PORTION OF THE THE CENTRAL U.S. FROM OK TO WV ON MONDAY NIGHT AND
TUESDAY. THE ELONGATED TROUGH WILL STRETCH ACROSS VIRTUALLY THE
ENTIRE CONUS WITH A SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF VORT ENERGY EJECTING FROM
THE 4 CORNERS THAT WILL SLOWLY RIDE THE PATHLENGTH OF THE TROUGH.
VV FIELDS WILL BE STRONG ACROSS THE ENTIRE REGION AS A 185+KT JETS
DEVELOPS WITHIN THE TROUGH. AS THE FLOW BCMS MORE SW…GULF
MOISTURE WILL BECOME INVOLVED WITH THE SYSTEM…AND PERSISTENT
OVERRUNNING WILL OCCUR ALONG/NORTH OF THE BOUNDARY SEPARATING THE
ARCTIC AIR MASS. COMPLEX THERMAL PROFILE WILL ENSURE MIXED
P-TYPES…BUT MODELS ARE CONVERGING ON THE IDEA OF .50-.75 INCH
ICING FROM NORTHEAST OK TO CENTRAL TN…AND POSSIBLE A GREAT AREA
OF AROUND .25 INCH ICE. IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE BOUNDARY WILL BE
AN AXIS OF HEAVY SNOW.
I will put together a “first call” map later tonight so check back.
BTW… my “light snow streak” call is actually looking pretty good right now for later Sunday… especially across northern Kentucky. 
Take care.
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Thanks so much Chris for keeping us updated so much! You have really been working hard today! Will you have any ice totals later as it looks like we could be doomed down here?
sooo, is a foot possible? :p
Thank you for the updates, Chris!
http://wxcaster4.com/nam/CONUS_MESO-ETA212_SFC_SNOWDEPTH_84HR.gif
This is what i think will happen as far as snow 😉
Snow news is good news. A balmy 28* with sun this afternoon here on the lake.
F5 http://mjhdp.tripod.com/stormtracker/id17.html
That would be a normal snow for us, since just a few inches.
I think you’re being way too cautious in terms of snow for North eastern Kentucky…
Just so I understand (I’ve been behind on my readings), southern KY, say Whitley county, is expected to get some amount of freezing rain changing to then rain? I’m afraid if people think it will basically end up being all rain, we will be caught off guard. How concerned should this part of the state be?
Well, the news may be a little bit better. I would like to see all of us get into the sweet spot. But, I still refuse to get excited, until Chris pulls the trigger, and I am not sure I will then.
It’s not that I don’t trust Chris, but, when you live in southern KY…..well.
Thanks for the update, Chris. I know your first call may not be the final call, but I am looking forward to seeing your thoughts.
Michael, we got all the way up to a very
balmy 33 today. Airport temp is off….
has been for two weeks now.
I don’t see Southern KY getting anything but sleet to frz rain to rain down here… I just hope it warms up quick enough to turn the frz rain into rain so we don’t have much damamage…I still say Lexington and points north are gonna have a blast with all the snow! We lose again down here and yes the thermometer at the somerset airport is way off
that is what the NAM is showing i figured since GFS has a North KY Bias i figured i would show model that actually wasn’t biased towards the snow hogs
the cinti ohio tv stations are calling for snow or mix starting mon night….depending on the track of the storm……GO CATS!!!
“”Harris Update””
Sources tell me that Harris had been battling the FLU bug earlier this week.
“to me it seems that the cause of his collapse is dehydration.”
That’s all I got out of him.
As for the weather. Whats with all the talk about snow? I thought that was a myth.. WOOOHOOOO, as ROLO would say.
Where is rolo to bring everyone down with his negative “no snow” talk…
I can Help you out with that no snow for anybody south of Pulaski county 😉
Hows that
I’ll fill in for him. If you live south of Lincoln Co. you’re still gonna see the grass come Thursday.
Keep up the good work Chris. I am watching your blogs very close because I can’t stand this cold weather unless it drops a big snow. If it’s not going to snow then like I said before bring on Spring!!!
I hope we get the snow up here in Flatwoods. The way our luck runs it’ll miss us one way or the other…:(
Did anybody catch WSAZ news at 6? The picture I took last weekend at the Greenup Locks & Dam was shown on there. Got my few seconds of fame…LOL!
http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/p120i00.gif
total storm qpf from the hpc
Boy, if Central and Eastern KY can get that to be all snow, Kentucky will be shut down for weeks. Here in Eastern KY, schools close for a week when it snows an inch. There won’t be school for a month if we got all snow.
I’m as giddy as a school girl right now. Jackson NWS is going to issue a Winter Storm watch for Eastern KY tonight or tomorrow according to their forecast discussion.
Happy for you Central and Eastern KY snow hogs congrats on yet another snowfall. I will enjoy my ice or rain whatever may come
ohh there going to be some pissed off, sck SNOW GEESE when this goes BUSTO..
I just dont see this holding togther for u all in central ky, i hope u get it, but the ole MODEL MADNESS will turn out like so many before 2-3 days out.
BUSTO~~ right now for my S/SE PEEPS we should be ok if we can get thru tuesday moring, cause the WARM AIR weill take over by tues evening.
well IM STILL going with the ole BUSTO as far as the up coming event, yes there will be winter weather, but overall warm air will take over and that will be that.
not concern at all about my part here in the south/se.
hopefully u all up central ky can get some snow bwefore the rain melts it away.
Huumm, now where did I put my snow shovel. My wife is going to be needing it………………..
And no, My boss (wife) does not approve of this message.
TEACHER U ARE
I dont bring nobody down, I forcast on past trends, and until they bust the trend I will be right.
hope u get to enjoy a few inxches before the warm air takes it away.
Reminiscent of January, 1994. Lots of snow, sleet, crazy thundersleet during the night on Monday. Kroger is now officially on board. I’m afraid BG-Somerset-London could be in for what we had here in Lex in 2/03.
It’s not like Central KY has been plastered with snow. A couple of inches in Versailles is all I recall. Hopefully this week will be the one that busts the trend.
18z shows a nice rain storm for everyone in Kentucky. Who knows what this system is going to do?
yea it amazing how alot DOG THE GFS, but when it goes SNOW CTRAZY, THEY SAY OHH BOY..
id say come tuesday alot will want to blow the GFS up..
man what going on, i was sayin TEACHER U ARE my kinda of a person.
REDNECK, I LIKE THAT. I dont mean to get u and others down, but its just facts.
Rain Storm??? You serious???
Rolo. I don’t know why you stay on this site all day posting negative thoughts since you always know what the weather is going to be. Since you are know more than everyone, plan a picnic or go fishing next week. Who knows. Maybe one of the snow plows will help you pull your boat out of the water…ur ice. You know. Dreaming a little never hurt anyone. You should try it sometime.
Or Eastern KY. Here in Prestonsburg, I received 1.5 inches last week and one other dusting this whole Winter. So, 1.6 inches of snow is nothing to write home about.
I know… facts are facts, but this week we’re going to break out.. OLD SCHOOL STYLE!!!
I’ve wanted to blow the thing up for a few years now..
Yes. It shows Central and Northern KY starting out as snow, while Eastern KY looks like frz. rain, and southern KY all rain. Then 850 and surface temps rise above freezing for basically everyone north of Georgetown leading to all rain for pretty much the remainder of the event. But, it is the 18z. Ensambles are pretty much showing the same thing except rain doesn’t reach as far North as the operational GFS. If this shows up during the 00z then we may need to be concerned about flooding. Especially in Southern and Southeastern KY.
If the 18z run of the GFS is correct, then Rolo would be correct. Don’t hate on Rolo because he speaks the truth. How many of these events have we seen come and go over the past 10 years that all end up the same ole story?
It will snow but not old school don’t uncross your toes 😉
Well Mike you have had 5 times the snow we have had in SE KY and Justin you have had 3 or 4 times what SE KY has had so even though you haven’t had alot of snow you have had more than knox whitley laurel and pulaski areas
Which is exactly what we dun need the ground still hasn’t recovered from the last flood we had just a few weeks ago
UUMM, Tent, my man. OLE ROLO has been one of the reasons that people come to this blog. He’s been working people up on this thing for years (yes, I am including the old one). Look back at the last 3 yr’s or so of posts, he has been spreading goofyness FOREVER.
ROLO, what you got for the O/U for that little game next Sunday (can’t ask Vin, I’m still mad that they beat my Bolts)..
So last run of GFS is a bust eh? Hopefully its just a fluke run of sorts.
Ah, consider yourself lucky Andy. I’d rather have clear roads and a clean car than an inch of slop and a salty car. If all we are going to get is an inch, then bring on Spring. I could be sittin on a boat somewhere reeling in Largemouth. 😀
I guess I’ll wait for the Bailey post to get my excitement back up..
Don’t get me wrong. I love ol ROLO and looking forward to settin down with him for some of that homemade squirel gravy he’s been touting. I have listened to him for 3 years without ever responding. (I know that squirel… is probably spelled wrong, but Rolo will understand.) Just think buddy. Next week we can trackum down alot easier. It is hard for them to run in 6-10″ SNOW!
actually we prob had just as much salt if not more than you guys lol. I think we had more salt on the roads than snow
T LEX its 46.5 right now the o/u
nuself it the super bowl and both defense will be up, the steelers have a GREAT DEFENSE, and the cards can play to with wilson off the edge and they have a good secondary.
I think under ids the bet, get on it soon cause it will come on down at least 2 points i say.
I am lock in taking cards and 7 points.
I was a raven guy too, never bet that last game but was rooting for them.
tenman I speak what i think, i have been on the SNOW WAGON more than anybody here in the pasdt 3 years, I am a BLOG WAR HORSE.
I HAVE ATE MY WORDS OVER PREDICTING SNOW, im sdorry u feel that way, but its a weather blog and CB is great letting us ALL that study the game to give our thoughts too.
new GFS snowfall map
http://wxcaster4.com/gfs/CONUS_GFS0P5_SFC_ACCUM-SNOW_120HR.gif
No worries. That’s just ROLO being ROLO.
Next week, I’m looking forward to that. I’m heading out to RRG to try out some new cold weather equipment for this summers backpacking trip.
ohh man I have killed a manny RABBITS in in snow, it fun as hell.
I have killed them with bow and arrow, u know fins them setting.
I would love to be wrong and WE ALL GET HAMMERED, and as i have said all week. WE ARE DUE A MODEL FORCASST TO HOLD TRUE WITH snow.
so yes we could still get that surprise, when u give up is when it will hit.
but I just dont see it right now ole friend.
hey anytime you want to get together for a squak or rabbit fry just let me know.
I love ya man. Always speak what you feel. My wife and kids have just about thrown me out of the house this winter over the busted weather forecast. I just keep thinking positive, looking forward to that biggun! So are we still on for that GRAVY or not. We may have to make it later in the week, you know with the snow and all coming on.
thanks andy, it looks like a good one where i live
I think we need to have a blog party sometime, I could cater and u all come down.
or we can get togther maybe in richmond or lexington and go to a football game next year. I can get us all the tickets we need.
hey we can set up a get togther anytime and when ever.
I got 18 rabbits in freezer right now killed this rabbit season.
and deer mneat as well. ohh and the best meat there is TURTLE.
here we go again……..
Dude,
I never post anything on here, but enough is enough. You really believe you know everything, don’t you? Well, you don’t/
Youre act is wearing thin!
This is a tough one. I kind of look at it like a rabbit going against a mudder…Now, what’s the track going to be like????????
Rolo,
As the name implies, I got tents. Sounds like you live somewhere with a little room. Just let me know. I have tents, tables, chairs, linens, grills, dance floors, staging and you name it. Just how many rabbits you think we can get in a big grill. Starting to look like a good ol “2009 BLOG “CK” PARTY.” Get it. Hope its OK to bring a little hamburger or chicken on the side.
sref keeps 32 line along the tenn/ky most of the storm late tue afternoon it does try to bring it north of london but shunts it back south quickly.
Hey Jim how are you and the family? Don’t be a stranger and don’t hog all the snow lol!!!!! I hope we don’t get the ice end of it!!!!!
Easy on he rabbit killing there hahah, Ironic, my friends really do call me Rabbit
Andy where are you located?
Keep the good news coming Mitch. I need to get stuck in Versailles for a couple of days. A little time off from work.
Flicking through the channels and ran across the top 100 best damn sports moments. Of course one of the highlights was the Christian Laetner flop shot that neat the unforgettables. Hurts as much today to watch that as it did then.
I agree with MikeM 1000000000%.
However, neat?????
Thanks for the update Chris. Thanks for all the hard work you do for us. I hope that you are having a great weekend. I am keeping my fingers cross for a big snow!
The 00Z runs of NAM and GFS both are in very nice agreement… IT IS ON. Winter Storm looks to FINALLY move into Kentucky for this Winter with big time impact.
There will be NO milk or bread anywhere tomorrow after church…so get some now. 🙂
ALSO, I forgot to mention…
For MITCH… according to the NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE, we are only 0.3 degrees below normal for the month at the closest official reporting site to me, Frankfort. At my house, I am at NORMAL for the month in temperature also. This has not been a COLD month at all compared to average.
I didn’t know whether to be sad about the game or to bust a gut laughing at all the grown men crying.
WXman what is it showing for london ice rain or snow!!! I’d really like to know
I broke a TV. Then I cried.
If you’re sick of reading Rolo’s posts, don’t read this blog. Most of us love him.
lexington is -1.7 below normal. this is the station that is central to most of us.
http://www.weather.gov/climate/getclimate.php?wfo=lmk
thnaks for clearing that up though. it doesn’t really matter as we have bigger fish to fry this week!!
cMon snow, you really don’t want to know, most likely….
Wxman, just for kicks and giggles, what ARE your thoughts on the upcoming system? (Not meaning that in a disrespectful way, either)
You haven’t said much today, so I was just wondering what your thoughts are..
How much ice and rain are we gonna get down here?
Okay… I feel much better now… I need some milk, but I can do without bread, as long as I have milk and cereal I’m fine.. Doesn’t really matter anyways, I live 1/4 mile from a gas station/grocery… I can walk if I have to, heck I would love to walk in the beautiful white bliss!
Knox
mitch, what is sref? I have no idea, but I like it if it keeps the freezing line down into Tennessee…..well then we might have a chance.
my homemade video on the storm!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVYmh-ezTPE
hey coffelady did you read TG’s weather blog? he mentioned your name in it.
Well the NWS is right on track as always with the temps they are already 3 degrees to warm and its just 9:45
Awesome JOB !!! lol
good job mitch
Great job! Very much appreciated… This blog is really great, not to mention it makes me look like a weather genius with all of my friends, family and colleagues…
I saw that too. She is now a Local Celebrity!!!
If you guys like his video, you should check out his site..!
Mitch does a really nice job…
Just click his name…
…
Can I scream now?
jkl also about -1.5
jenn, yes I did. I was giving a thought to another comment about what he was saying this morning. Nice to know he reads what we write. Also nice to know that he puts his own forecast out there, whatever he feels. That is what a good meteorologist does when they predict the weather, and Chris and Tg are two of the best there is in these here parts! 😉
short range ensemble forecast
Neat should have been beat. I’ve taken spelling lessons from Rolo. By the way Rolo, you got a big fan replying to one of your post.
thanks for the comments
OMG… Just heard something funny as heck….lol
Watching FOX 56, and after the weather lady says, “When we come back, more on a MAJOR winter storm to impact the area”..
And the anchor says, “Here we go again”…. ????
Here we go again..??? what…??? eher we go again…???
Yea, here we go again, every 11 yrs…. lol…LOL
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good job mitch
Hey Rhonda, I wanted to thank you for commenting to me when I posted my apology. It was very nice. I hope ROLO and Chris saw my apology for talkin out of turn. Hopefully everybody’s forgotten about it by now, but I sure did start a ruckus! But like someone said, we got bigger fish to fry!!!
No, thank you for all your hard work…! Like CB, you get nothing for what you do and you put in a lot of time and effort..!
Check out the question I ask you on your site…
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True. About to look at some updated model output right now actually…want to see how much accum. I think we’re looking at… hopefully a LOT.
Well… as of right now, I think a good prediction for the Frankfort and Lexington area would be 4-6″ of snowfall with a small amount of icing (probably less than a tenth of an inch). Just south of Lexington I’m thinking 6-7″ is possible. My thoughts might change tomorrow…we’ll see.
Great job Mitch just send the snow farther south!!!!!!
You didn’t start a ruckus, Susan, you just expressed your feelings about an historical moment we are all part of. Most of the people on here are used to expressing their opinions and no one is offended…we’ve just all got definite opinions, lol. I’m really glad you are still posting!
You Rock Mitch.
I’m still hopeful, folks! Even though it is looking right now like my area (Laurel Co) will probably see some significant ice followed by rain, I just can’t shake this feeling that we’ll also get in on some of the snow as well. I know…I know….feelings don’t matter too much in the world of science. 😉
Maybe the title of the next post should be “Something Wicked This Way Comes….” [quoting MacBeth].
I loved seeing the YouTube videos posted today. Vinny, Max is adorable, as always. It cracked me up seeing how enthusiastic he was about the snow. Mitch, loved your forecast and your map! GREAT JOB!
To all my fellow southeastern KY people, hang in there…. Let’s ride this out and see how our luck plays out this time around. Don’t give up just yet!
Is it my imagination or are the comments dissapearing and/or rearranging themselves?
They could have meant it in regards to a busted forecast. Last year we were supposed to have the mother of all ice storms and it was a mini-mite. Then seven years ago there was the infamous snow storm that a large chunk of KY canceled school for – a day before the event- and not we got flurries and verga was to blame.
Just guessing.
I keep hearing about rain. I am not thinking rain will be a prevalent as some may be thinking, but you never know until it happens.
21*
F5 full update http://mjhdp.tripod.com/stormtracker/id17.html
I will be available for chat sunday night(time to be determined)via the parachat to answer any questions you have concerning the F5 Data.
It seems like South Central Kentucky always loses out on the snow. I am hoping that we get some of the heavy snow so we can play in it
Bubba G. You’re making progress in your journey from the dark side. If your not thinking rain you must be thinking snow. Good job.
bubba g i remember that it was something like 16 in. of snow with blizzard conditions i think it snowed like an inch or two and we got out of school and it did nothing
Michael does that mean east ky gets only a inch???
NWS is only calling for 2 inches of snow in Louisville. They are also calling for precip to change to rain. Can’t wait for next update to see what is really going on.
The rain part does not seem to fit, unless the system as a whole is a bust. The cold air would have to hang on and effectively stall the effects of the warm air in order to create a “big snow”. Seems a contradiction in premise to me.
If it turns out to be mainly an ice event- that is another issue entirely and we will welcome the rain in quick fashion.
My point for reference is the moisture is being fed from the gulf. We usually get the rain mix events from more westerly systems.
Right or wrong?
I LOVE A RAINY NIT, and that what a majority will see.
yes some freezing prcip but warm air get the whole area late tuesda into wed.
I am very confident about my and BILLG thoughts.
mabe afew inches lex north but probably ber gone is 6 hours anyway.
long ranch say WARM UP as well.
I still think most of kentucky gets into the warmer air and convert over to rain… i still have hope for significant wintry weather the whole time but idk i got a feeling rain will find its way up to I-64.
I still say that for rain to dominate so much, the system would have to be a bust for big snow or ice in the first place.
If we get a big snow, the rain should not be part of the P-type for much of the system except extreme south.
That is all.
yep crystal. the trend I have been talkikng about is takin affect,
just look at the change in just the last couple model runs.
yep its easy to predict what going to happen
we are like the chicago cubs and no WS TITLES.
uwe get tortured with these 3-4 days grat looking models and the day of u and I are wonder what happen.
rolo you make no sense if it switches to rain it will be DURIN THE DAY all lows agree on low to mid 20s and the high is like 31 and 32 if it does get warm and switch to rain oh well it will snow again tues into weds. i honeslty dont think it will rain here in anderson co. it will prolly freezing rain
Then that would equal a big bust-olla in regards to what weather people are starting to say tonight.
A few inches of snow and mainly rain doth not maketh’ a MAJOR winter storm- unless the term is taken very liberally- to the point of delusion.
Weather people best be careful with that trigger finger if rain is the main player as suggested here by some.
u alright maam, heck opinion are great, we have nothing to discuss if we all agreed on everything.
u are ok.
I like a fiesty person.
NWS Paducah seems to think most of the snow and signficant ice will be within 50 miles of the Ohio River. It seems like a good call to me.
I’ll say here in Madisonville some sleet Monday Night, maybe an inch of snow, some light icing and then over to rain on Tuesday.
NO MORE ICE STORMS.
Rolo:
You maketh no sense man…!
You are the one that always says, “best snows happen at 34-35º”..???
You trying that old reverse psychology thingy again…? lol
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Rain as a main player just does not seem to add up for this event. I suggest the rain may be of the frozen variety, but again you never know until it happens. So true.
lincon warm air can work in at 3am if it wants.
but after midnite on tues the warm air will move farther and farther in to state south to north.
and could even earlier if the trend keeps on happening. tomm at this time models should so a totally different outlook.
I think the main rain threat will be for southern and southeastern ky. Should be snow with sleet mix for central and northern ky. Southern Ky will start as snow and mix then change to frz rain then to rain…but all of central and northern ky should remain snow with sleet mixing in
no vin man, if the upper level airnot right 35 is a BAD SNOWING TEMP.
good nite my FRIENDS,and I really mean that to all u all.
be up in morning looking for a vhange of heart!!!
godspeed.
no vin man, if the upper level airnot right 35 is a BAD SNOWING TEMP.
good nite my FRIENDS,and I really mean that to all u all.
be up in morning looking for a vhange of heart!!!
godspeed.
Rolo might have got bitten by a turtle and he has a fever due to infection 😉
If this just happens for people from Big Bone Lick on up, that would be just too much. The state may have a civil snow war 😉
Pure whack if the models all converge now to rain accept the upper north of the state. I am the King of doubters and even I do not see that- but I have been wrong.
I would normally agree with you, Rolo..
But this is one time that I’m going to have to bet against you.
I am THAT confident this time around. 🙂
Tonight’s song – good ol’ Hank Williams Jr “Dixie On My Mind.” 😉
well I was hoping to come in this evening and click on the blog, and see that it all was figured out, snow would be here, freezing line there, winter storm watches…But, looks like were gonna be playing whats gonna happen right up until the finale
Crystal, those images are models. That particular one does not show the ice but here is what I am thinking east of I-75:East of I-75: 1″-3″ Snow with significant ice.
Only my thoughts. Refer to Chris and NWS for the official word.
yep..about the only thing for sure is that southern and southeastern ky will see a mix to frz rain to rain..I guess the snow battle zone will be setup for central ky… I’m sick of winter..it never snows down here.. I sure could use some spring like weather.
This event looks nothing like the January 1994 storm. The overall synoptic pattern is very different if you compare these systems. This event is more reminiscent of the February 2003 event.
Thanks Michael and Rolo
I would not put too much emphasis on where the 32 degree line sets up. Its the amount of warm air aloft that will determine where the snow/ice line sets up.
I hate to hear sports anchors mention Christian and that shot against Ky. I believe I fell the night that happened and hit my head. Still hard to swallow that loss.
For those of you wanting more info on Southern KY during this upcoming event, I just updated my blog *Click My Name*. The quick and dirty of it Is I suspect starting out as snow on Tuesday, transition to rain by the early evening/late afternoon, back over to some snow Wednesday morning, mix it up again Wednesday day, back to snow Wednesday Night.
i feel the same way…. we never see a real winter in southeastern ky its beef forever…. but its still a few days out u never know. but i wouldnt count on much for us 🙁 o well
I think you all are wrong about it being rain for south and southeast…take a look at what Chris just posted.
CB’s new post is up…
You’re gonna; like it…!
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Still keeping my fingers crossed for a good coverage of snow, the kind we used to get years ago. Seems like it always goes above us in Southern Kentucky though and we end up with rain. Hopefully we will get it this time. Its been a long time waiting.