Good Sunday morning everyone. I promised you a wintry weekend and old man winter delivered with snow, arctic air and wind. There are so many things I want to get to tonight. But, it has been a long day so I don’t have the energy to do it all. Not only do I want to talk about our Saturday snows… I also want to take a look ahead to a wild week of weather.
Let me start out by talking about the clipper snow. I mentioned in a post early last week that I had seen situations like this overachieve in the past. This one did just that putting down anywhere from a coating in the south and southwest to nearly 2 inches where I am in northeastern Kentucky.
The unfortunate thing about the snow is that it seem to catch so many people off guard. Roads were snow and ice covered for much of Saturday causing hundreds of accidents across the state. That included one that claimed the lives of 4 teenagers. As always… say a little prayer for their families in their time of need.
Road crews are on record as saying they were told to expect nothing more than a passing snow shower or sprinkles. My question is… told by whom? Folks… I cannot stress enough the importance of where you get your forecast from. While no one forecast or organization is responsible for any one accident… giving people a “heads up” on dangerous travel should be a no brainer in this business.
I had actually written a whole lot more about this whole subject and decided to delete it before I entered this blog. I have said my piece over and over on the subject matter and nothing has changed. I will have more on all this at a later date.
Let’s get to the weather…
Snow showers and flurries will quickly end on this Sunday. Arctic air will continue to surge in with temps in the upper teens when you wake up. Highs today will only reach the mid to upper 20s with wind chills several degrees lower than that.
Our Storm early next week is going to be moving right over you heads on Tuesday. Warm air advection will kick in for Monday and we may actually have a light mix try to develop… especially in the north. Temps will warm toward the low 40s by late in the day.
Here is what our Tuesday looks like…
That is a stout low across western Tennessee with one heck of a moisture supply. Temps will surge into the 50s as southwesterly winds really crank! Rain will be increasing as the day goes by and will become heavy Tuesday night…
Rain amounts of 1″-2″ will be possible into early Wednesday. MUCH colder air moves in by the second half of Wednesday changing the rain over to snow as temps fall below freezing. Snow showers will then be possible Wednesday night.
By Thursday… another low pressure develops across Georgia. Here is what the European model looks like for Thursday morning…
Thursday Morning 
That is a classic eastern US winter storm in the making. The GFS has it as well but is a bit to the east of the Euro. By Friday morning… our fast moving storm is in New England as arctic air floods in…
Friday Morning
As is… the models are a bit too far east to give us much in the way of synoptic snows from this low. They do show good snow shower and squall potential during this time, though. The one thing I will be watching for closely in the next few days is to see if the models come farther west with this low as they have done with almost every storm for the past several years. Interesting to say the least! ![]()
I will update things as usual later today so be sure to check back. Until then… take care.
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Thanks C.B. for the update, sounds like you’ve had a long day…I was hoping you was gonna say we were gonna get a big one on thursday and friday..I’m like you I hope the models trend westward with this one to give us some snow…
Thanks for the update Chris. This storm for next week is enough to drive any forecaster crazy. I don’t know what the NWS in Charleston’s deal is but we haven’t had a forecast for southern WV post Wednesday for the last 3 nights now. I’m personally think we get a nice warm up maybe into the low 50’s ahead of it and tank into the 20’s and 10’s for lows behind the front. I’m wondering with that big of a temperature change if we don’t get a nice squall line severe thunderstorm set up for Wednesday. And I find it very ironic that for us snow lovers we’re actually hoping for the westward trend to kick in.
In other news I started my career as a Meteorologist officially tonight. I can’t believe I’m actually getting to live out my childhood dream.
Shane…GOOD FOR YOU!!!.. I have always loved weather as well. but never pursured my dream. SO now I just cheer everyone else on and hope maybe one of my kids will pick up the LOVE for weather as I have over the yrs. LOTS OF LUCK TO YA..
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Looks like another shot of some snow showers moving south our of southern Indiana. whose gonna be the luck ones??
Is anyone up on here but me?????
well it is snowing in Pikeville and windy.
I’m still up Crystal, One of those sleepless nights…UGH!!
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THE SOUTH HAS BEEN ROBBED OF SNOW!!!..
I think Chris has captured the snowmizer and has him locked away up there in Ashland in a dungeon somewhere..LOL.
Hey Tim!we have just a little snow falling.I never use to pay attention with the weatherman would say watch out for those slick spots,I will now.We went to a christmas party and shut the place down lol.I was coming out hit that ice and down i went in front of everybody.It was so embarassing it was the ice or that extra margaritia I had oops and my high heels didnt help lol My husband said cut her off I can’t take her anywhere lol
Hey Tim.It is snowing a little now.I never used to pay attention when the weatherman would say watch for those slick spots,I will now.WE went to a Christmas party closed the place down lol When we were coming out i hit a slick spot and down I went in front of everybody.It was so embarrassing.It was the ice the heels or that extra margarita I had oops.My husband said cut her off and I can’t take you no where lol
Mine keeps saying i am in moderation
Hey Tim.It is snowing a little now.I never used to pay attention when the weatherman would say watch for those slick spots,I will now.WE went to a Christmas party closed the place down lol When we were coming out i hit a slick spot and down I went in front of everybody.It was so embarrassing.It was the ice the heels or that extra margarita I had oops.My husband said cut her off and can’t take you no where lol!
Well my comment will show up 3 times probaly but the long and short of it was i had a nice fall in front of everyone on the ice
well its 5:00 am. and the NWS forecast for my area is all but BORING for the next 7 days:
Tuesday….rain…61*..60%
Tues.night.rain…42*..80%
Wed……..rain…47*..60%
wed.night..rain/snow mix..29*..40%
Thurs..sun..38*
frid…sun..41*
sat….sun..46*………..B-O-R-I-N-G!!
NOT EVEN A MENTION OF ANY SNOW WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A MIX ON WED. NIGHT..GEE-WIZ!!! Well I guess Its time to get the coffee on. at least thats something to look forward to..lol.
on a sleepy, sarcastic note:
I just noticed where ((OUR)) winter storm watches have went up for central and eastern Iowa, and northwest Illinois!!! HOW GRAND!
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Here’s just alittle taste of what they’re gonna get…
URGENT – WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE QUAD CITIES IA IL
310 AM CST SUN DEC 7 2008
…WINTER STORM POSSIBLE MONDAY EVENING THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT…
.A LARGE STORM SYSTEM WILL MOVE ACROSS THE MIDWEST MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY…BRINGING SIGNIFICANT RAIN AND SNOW TO THE REGION. A COMBINATION OF RAIN…FREEZING RAIN…SLEET…AND SNOW IS EXPECTED ALONG AND NORTH OF INTERSTATE 80 MONDAY NIGHT…WHICH
WILL TURN TO ALL SNOW TOWARDS TUESDAY MORNING. HEAVY SNOW IS LIKELY…WITH GREATER THAN 6 INCHES POSSIBLE. IN
ADDITION…FREEZING RAIN AND SLEET MAY CREATE HAZARDOUS TRAVEL MONDAY NIGHT BEFORE THE CHANGE TO SNOW IS COMPLETE. BY TUESDAY AFTERNOON…SNOW AND BLOWING SNOW MAY BECOME WIDESPREAD ACROSS THE
WATCH AREA…WITH LOW VISIBILITIES AND VERY POOR TRAVEL CONDITIONS.
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YEAH,YEAH,YEAH, BLAH,BLAH,BLAH…WE’VE HEARD IT ALL TO FAMILIAR OVER THE PAST SEVERAL WINTERS….:(
well even though flakes are still flying into eastern ky. the stars are shining here and its cold.
clear skies
19.6*
5:40a.m.
The snow showers stayed to my east all night no problems as far as travel goes in this part of the state.
Just as Chris predicted less than an inch 😉
O.K. mitch, you and wxman its time to get up and through some opinions on the table…I’m running out of things to talk about..lol..oh yeah and the 6z run of the gfs still don’t show anything to raise an eyebrow at,or at least it didnt to me. but running on 6hrs of sleep since fri.night. I am sure I overlooked something…My pillow and bed for one thing…ahhh.ahhh..ahhh..yawn…:|
its about time you got outta bed..lol..what are you talking about I didnt even get a car top coater..but alot of folks did..were on the naughty list andy…and Chris has the snowmizer under lock and key..lol…(yeah delerium has set in..).lol
Wake up Tim nothing is still less than an inch
I’m moving to Iowa or Montana maybe Michigan
Thanks Chris for the update… a dusting of snow on the ground at my house this morning.
It’s still snowing in Lexington, but just a dusting…is all. Are the weather people still afraid to say dusting??? ha!
Light snow in Versailles! I’m sure it won’t last long from looking at the little blob of blue on the radar! It’s nice to see just the same!
Crystal… did you hurt yourself or just your pride?? If it were me my pride is located on my backside! LOL!
It is 20 with light to almost moderate snow here in Lawrenceburg this sunday morn. Definitely not flurries. Very wintry here. Yesterday I traveled to morehead and roads in lexington were very very slick and icy.
Congrats Shane!….I saw that you’d updated your blog then disappeared again! I’m guessing your job is keeping you busy!
It is really coming down in Lexington now….I thought it supposed to stop? I hope it continues on.
Yeah I mean it has been snowing pretty hard here all morning. Temp continues to drop….now at 19 here with a windchill of 11! It actually a pretty dangerous morning. Radar isn’t picking this up well I guess because I don’t see much coming from the NWS yet.
Wxman,Renee’:
Still snowing good right now in Woodford Co. too.
On a side note. Went to the UK game last night. If the players would have played the whole game like the 2nd half they would have one.
Roads in Lexington were slick last night too.
would have WON.(not one) Can’t think this morning. 😉
Glad you’re back catfan. You missed the “big”(NOT) parade last night!
WxMan! What about that area of snow just now entering illinois? Where is that heading and do you think it may come here!?
Beautiful Sunday morning hear. The Snow is falling the Red Birds are having a feast in my bird feeder. I was out yesterday morning at Fayette Mall. Everyone one was so suprised at how bad the roads were. I told a few you need to follow kyweathercenter.com and you would have expected what we got. While it was coming down outside. The local outlets were saying “just a few flurries can be expected”. Well those few flurries made about 1 inch of snow at my house!
WXman says snow in Lawrenceburg and just a bit south here in Harrodsburg it’s bright sunshine and blue skies. It doesn’t even feel as cold as it is.
It snowed all morning here in Versailles until just a few minutes ago when the sun did come out. Harrodsburg didn’t see any snow this morning? It looked like on the radar it was headed that way.
Patty, Glad to be back for the winter. Looks like a lot of Woodford faithful still populate the blog. I missed the parade last night as well. Started working parttime at the hospitl to make some extra cash. Was it really small?
We got about a inch and a half here in morgan co…..
versailles .6 in total snow from this clipper .4 in snow depth at 10 am. the flakes were very pretty this morning. still some snow shwrs south and east that could leave up to an addtional 1/2 inch of snow.
not a big turnout and it was a short parade.
I don’t think any of them was on this snow not evan on the tube NWS was giving a few snow shower flurries so was TG and the weekend lady wlex said no big deal Wtvg same thing. Now i know we did not get a big storm but almost 2 inches of snow is a big deal when peoples life is at stake. My husband two first cousin was in a car wreck they was not hurt bad but the roads here in morgan co yesterday was awful my husband and i was also in a wreck which i got out on the roads knowing that we could get snow because my weather comes from Chris but Chris can’t get the weather to everyone a lot of people don’t have computers. Chris we really need you back on the tube. NWS stinks I would go by a forecast they give for anything. If you miss a snow forecast what’s the big deal people’s lifes are more inportant folks I just think a lot of people in west liberty saturday was caught off guard because so many people was out on the roads our little town look like lexington people everywhere and the road crews where not on there game because they thought just like the NWS was saying no big deal…. Sorry about the long post.
radar has a hard time picking up low level moisture at a location that is far away from the radar site. lexington metro is on the edge of both the jkl and ft.knox radars.
Up to 27* down here on the line and bright sunshine…not one flake did I see yesterday or last night…I agree with Tim…Chris…please let that snow mizer out!! 🙂
Please Mr Santa!
I have been really good this year 😀
won’t yo pease please bring me Snow for Christmas 🙁
well will the cats SHOWW UP today??
got a few snow showers here late las t nite and early this morin.
vinny the weather old school in pittsburg today.
and BARBER out really hurts the cowboys.
Yep,
I’m with rolo — no snow this year in old Corbin Kentucky. I don’t care if it’s JUST December or not. Just another let down winter. Bring on summer.
EYE CANDY!!>>GFS GONE WILD<<... http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/images/gfs_pcp_372m.gif
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this is 12-23-08…snow for Christmas all the way to the gulf..lol..lol..and a crippling snowstorm for louisiana…GFS GONE WILD !!!!! then around zero for Christmas morning..GFS GONE WILD!!!…I THINK ITS TOTALLY NUTS MYSELF…LOL…It cant make up its mind if there is gonna be a trough in the east, or in the west. or just blow torch the whole lower 48…I guess if anything its like an addictive soap opera..lol
Les.. I used to work with a guy named les in Corbin who lives down by pentington block co. that would’nt happen to be you would it?
Question for MJ, Mitch, WXman or whoever..
I know Chris’s thoughts on NWS, but why are there NO mention of Snow showers or Flurries in tonight’s forecast..?
looking at the radar, I see nice little batch of snow moving towards us out of Illinois… Is this just not gonna reach the ground when it gets here..?
it looks like they could at the very least say “10% change of flurries”…
Throw us a freaking bone for goodness sakes…
lol
Tim:
Here are the ground rules for Kentucky winters..
1. 34º or greater, tons of rain…
2. 33º or less, dry to the bone…
That’s all… now enjoy your winter.. lol
Rolo:
that’s gonna’ be a fun games to watch..!
Also just heard that Ware is a game time decision for the Boys… That one would hurt them big time, he leads the NFL in sacks…
12Z UKMET
http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/ukmtc2.cgi?time=2008120712&field=Sea+Level+Pressure&hour=Animation
If this scenario was right would east ky have a decent snow?
NO, I’m the sports editor at the Times-Tribune.
No, I’m the sports editor at the Times-Tribune.
Welcome Les!!!!!!!! Don’t give up hope you might still get a little snow.
Patty I hurt both lol.It was the ice or the extra margarita oops or the heels lol!!! We went to a Christmas party and left about 230am.It was embarrassing everyone was coming out.My husband also a big jokester said cut her off cant take her no where lol!!!!
Patty I hurt both lol.It was the ice or the extra rita i had oops or the heels lol!!! We went to a Christmas party and left about 230am.It was embarrassing everyone was coming out.My husband also a big jokester said cut her off cant take her no where lol!!!!
Patty i will email you I have tried to post but cant it is always saying moderation.Patty I hurt both lol.It was the ice or the extra margarita oops or the heels lol!!! We went to a Christmas party and left about 230am.It was embarrassing everyone was coming out.My husband also a big jokester said cut her off cant take her no where lol!!!!
Patty I hurt both lol.It was the ice or the extra margarita oops or the heels lol!!! We went to a Christmas party and left about 230am.It was embarrassing everyone was coming out.My husband also a big jokester said cut her off cant take her no where lol
Patty I hurt both lol.It was the ice or the extra margarita oops or the heels lol!!! We went to a Christmas party and left about 230am.It was embarrassing everyone was coming out.My husband also a big jokester said cut her off cant take her no where lol!!!!
Patty I will email you cant get a few words in says awaiting moderation
Patty I hurt both lol.It was the ice or the extra margarita oops or the heels lol!!! We went to a Christmas party and left about 230am.It was embarrassing everyone was coming out.My husband also a big jokester said cut her off cant take her no where lol!!!!
Patty I hurt both lol.It was the ice or the extra margarita oops or the heels lol!!! We went to a Christmas party and left about 230am.It was embarrassing everyone was coming out.My husband also a big jokester said cut her off cant take her no where lol!!!!
Thanks Crystal, I hope so.
Mike M where have you been???? I thought you were lost to us all! I think everyone must have caught wind of KY State band not being there. They certainly put on a show and I always looked forward to them being there! My great nephew loved it though. He’s only four and it’s always fun seeing a Christmas parade through a childs eyes!
Well, we can’t really call Tuesday’s storm a fence riding scenario, since it won’t even be anywhere close – there’s gonna be rain all the way up to Southern Michigan, and we’re gonna have the warmest air since the second week of November. The Snowdome isn’t even gonna have to do anything!
Like I was saying last week…the highlight of the coming week is going to be Tuesday night and our chance for thunderstorms then. Could we have some lightning for the first time in a long while??
I’ve seen some sites say it will be close to SIXTY on thursday!
where you getting that from even the NWS has 38 for a high Thursday for Knox county
Sorry got the day wrong. It’s Tuesday and it’s TV Guide channel as it rolls around to the top of the viewing table. It’s stil posted as 60 if you care to tune in to that channel to see for yourself.
I would not be surprised if we saw some near 60 temps Tuesday before the cold front passes, GFS raw is showing a swath of 60’s from about Bowling Green over to Somerset north to just past the river at 6Z Wednesday, which is 2am Wednesday morning… Overnight/ Early Morning severe weather event on Tuesday?
I would not be surprised if we saw some near 60 temps Tuesday before the cold front passes, GFS raw is showing a swath of 60’s from about Bowling Green over to Somerset north to just past the river at 6Z Wednesday, which is 2am Wednesday morning… Overnight/ Early Morning severe weather event on Tuesday?
Sorry if this posts multiple copies, blog is still giving me those weird moderation errors every now and then.
Got barely a dusting where I am in Laurel Co.
While I want to see some snow this winter, I just hope it holds off a few weeks. I’m in the process of moving to Gray, and would prefer not to have to do it in the snow.
models trending secondary delevopment further west.
could you explain further like what model and what time period
18z Runs of both the GFS and NAM showing the low moving through eastern Carolina’s, this time yesterday the GFS was showing the low over the Atlantic.
on the 12z ukmet a low tracks thu-fri from mobile to virgina beach with that track there would a chance of snow for areas east of 1-75.
that snow is not coming our way it’s heading toward indy and clevland.
We’ll take lightning as long as it is accompanied by about 20+” of “ThunderSnow”!;)
Tonites low the low 2 weeks from now which low are you referring to
The secondary low pressure system developing in the northern gulf of Mexico mid-week.
It’ll all probably just keep trending west until its right over our heads like it has for the last decade…
I cannot believe what I am seeing on the news….school closings! Does that mean they still have not got the roads done!!??? I almost slid off a ridge yesterday and was scared to death!! wow
If it goes up through VA beach then areas east of I75 get snow? I thought that’s what we wanted to get snow here in Lexington, that if it went west of apps we don’t get anything but rain, east of apps, we get snow? But only if you’re east of I75? Hmmmm
I saw where there were alot of auto accidents in INDY. Guess even they can’t drive in snow.
Funny note: On the tonight show they showed a real 911 call where this lady called 911 from Burger King saying she WOULD NOT leave until they made her burger the way she wanted it, that they had continued to screw up her order! Can you believe that? Have mercy…….LOL
I’ve noticed something…this big rain and warm-up is 3 days away, and it seems everyone is taking it as a given…so how come when snow is forecast 3 days out most forecasts say it is tentative? How come rain is always a “sure thing”? Can’t the maps and the weather change between now and then?
Imagine that. Maybe someone knew that snow wasn’t coming this way.
That’s a very good question RhondaB
We were out last night too….they were bad. Husband was doing donuts in the parking lot with my 3 year old yelling “do it again daddy”…unfortunately that is not mommy’s idea of fun. ha
Why is that in bad weather people forget how to drive or you have those on slick roads doing 90 mph!!!
That’s a good question, too, Renee’…wish I knew the answer to that one. I always slow down, way down, people behind me probably get upset. I’d rather be safe than sorry. Just think about those poor families who lost their children to that terrible accident in Bell County. My prayers are with them.
The end of the 0z NAM has the thurs-fri storm in the central gulf
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/nam/00/images/nam_pcp_084m.gif
Mitch does that mean snow or rain?
yea, but even if it comes our way, I don’t see any push of cold air, so it will be rain as well….
HOW “BOUT THEM Steelers…!
Mitch i love the white-o-meter……
Hey guys I will try to post.Does anyone else have the moderation reply and then your post never post?Looks like we will have rain next week oh well.
Hey folks… Check it out…
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/00/images/gfs_slp_084l.gif
That’s the GFS 00z run for next Thursday night…
This is the same 2nd low that has been thrown around for the past 2 days…
This thing is worth keeping an eye on with that western drift that we are sure to get…
to be continued…
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Vinny doed that mean a good change of sno for eastern ky????????/
I never get the moderation reply, Crystal, but most of the time it says the code I entered doesn’t match…so I click on refresh and it goes through. Must be some kind of glitch.
Vinny does that mean a good change of snow for eastern ky SORRY?
for all of Kentucky, except Morgan co, all rain there… lol
just joking…
I have no idea, but it look like the kind of storm that “could” bring snow if everything works out…
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Vinny you scared the life out of me.
This secondary low around 70-90 hrs out is something to watch. The past couple of runs it has been shifting further West which is a good thing. The only problem is, we don’t want it to go too far west or else it will be too warm for snow. Right now, if the 00z maps were to verify, Central Virginia gets walloped. If we want this thing in our backyard, we need a westward shift of around 300-400 miles. The good news is, the GFS always trends to the West. The bad news is, the GFS always trends wayyyyy to the west. Something to keep an eye on.
I really hate it when the Weather Channel shows one of the forecast maps and everything behind a system just disappears…it not even right…..lol
Crystal how is Slyvester doing i hope he’s doing better?
thanks marsha.
Thanks for asking.He is eating now and I am so thankful but still stays in his room all day and sleeps doesnt come out.
the far eastern counties are already very close to being in the area that sees several inches.
I thought Chris had me in time out lol
1. light mix moving west to east from from mo/ill into the region with temps in the 20’s more slick spots are possibile by the am rush hour where precip does fall.
WOW the 0z GFS is what we practically want here for central ky. I have watched these southern storms on the models cut further west each and every run for years. The brunt of this potential snow storm is about 300 miles from central KY. with it being 84 hours out a swing of 200-300 miles west is practically the norm for the GFS. Like Justin said Ive seen it swing a good 500 miles west in that span though. This should be very interesting to watch someone in our region could get blasted with the winter storm they have been dreaming of!!!
That’s great Crystal…..
Mitch morgan co got a chance for some of that white stuff?
that’s impossible Mitch…
NWS doesn’t mention it, so it won’t happen…
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I’m waiting on Chris to update I’m so sleepy nobody want answer my questions except Vinny and he scared me to death I feel so alone… LOL just kidding But I am sleepy
Chris, Where do I file a complaint against the NWS in Charleston. They haven’t issued a forecast for Oak Hill and Beckley, WV for post Wednesday in the last 3-4 days. I know this system is giving forecasters a headache *I know I’ve got one from it :P*, but this is getting ridiculous.
So how many forecasters are going to get caught off guard by that precip moving into the western part of KY right now?
Marsha I am here too, watching the stuff out west, wondering where it fits into out weather tonight, sure wasn’t in any of my areas forcast lol. 🙂 but then again, neither was all the snow i woke up to lol
Mitch i thought it was a given all rain for ky?????
Well looks like we are all waiting here for the update.
Where is Tim?
Hey Crystal, and everyone who is still up, I guess I will catch the update in about 5 hours, I am heading to bed lol. Good Night all 😛 😛 😛
0z UKMET
http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/ukmtc2.cgi?time=2008120800&field=Sea+Level+Pressure&hour=Animation
My best guess is the frozen stuff will move west into KY throughout the overnight. Give me a few minutes and I’ll have a more up to date opinion. I’ve been looking at WV weather all day since that’s where I’m working at now.
Night Chelle stay safe in the morning if you have to be out…..
night chelle
Okay so my updated thoughts on tonight’s chances at frozen prceip. Bufkit is showing dry air at the lower levels from the Bowling Green bufkit data. However looking at the KY mesonet relative humidity is roughly 60%+. Assuming this batch of precip holds together and can punch through any dry air at the surface, and not become virga, we could see some precip in central KY by late morning, probably in the form of some freezing rain or rain. Now that’s just going to be a little narrow swath around I-64. The bigger batch of precip if it holds on moves through later in the day, definitely after lunch, and should fall as all rain. North of 64, slight chance of showers Monday afternoon is the best way to look at I think. Anyone got another opinion on it?
0Z Canadian has an awesome set up for some wrap around snow from that second low tracking up the coast, it’s in almost the ideal position for folks east of 75 to pick up a decent snowfall.