Good Wednesday everyone. A hard hitting and fast moving winter storm will blast the state with significant amounts of snow and ice tonight into Thursday. The blog continues in WINTER STORM ALERT mode with updates coming fast and furious through the event.
Let’s get to a breakdown of how things stand as of right now…
– Low pressure will work eastward across Tennessee and throw plentiful moisture northward across the state tonight into Thursday.
– Snow and ice will break out in western Kentucky late this afternoon into the early evening hours then rapidly overspread the entire state by the wee hours of Thursday morning.
– This will be a fast moving shield of precipitation that should only last 12 to, perhaps,18 hours in any one spot. Even though it will be moving fast… there is a tremendous amount of lift associated with this storm meaning heavy precipitation is likely.
– Here is a map of my current thoughts on who gets what and how much…
Let’s start north and work south…
– Northern and northeastern Kentucky will see mainly an all snow event with accumulations of 3″-6″ likely. Locally higher amounts can’t be ruled out in the east. There is a small chance for some sleet or freezing rain entering the picture at some point before the snow shuts off.
– Just to the south of the all snow band will be an area that should get in on a period of very heavy snow to start before switching over to freezing rain that would then continue for the rest of the storm. Exactly when this change happens will determine how much snow or ice this area gets. Right now… anywhere from 1-4″ of snow may fall before the switch to ice which should then add up to .25″ or so. If the snow does not last long… then this region may see closer to .50″ of ice. I am concerned for this region for the fact it may get some heavy snow to accumulate… it would then be coated in ice. That would make for a lot of weight on power lines and trees if that is the case.
– Farther south… this region may also start out as a period of snow that would have a much quicker transition to Freezing Rain. Up to an inch of snow would be possible before the change. Precipitation totals in general will be higher in this area leading to potential ice accumulations of up to a half inch. Locally higher amounts will be possible before much of this ends as plain rain as temps go just above freezing. This region should also be on guard for POSSIBLE power problems.
– Extreme western Kentucky will see the action start as a mix of snow and ice then change to a period of light rain before ending. Precipitation amounts in this part of the state will not be as high as the areas we outlined above.
The GFS and NAM are in general agreement for the most part. The NAM is colder and wetter than the GFS leading to more snow and ice accumulations. The GFS has been trending toward the wetter NAM solution for a few runs now. In terms of temps… The NAM has a higher resolution which usually allows it to handle low level cold air better than the GFS. I think it is doing just that right now as it matches what I have been saying for days… you simply cannot scour out arctic air like the models had been showing in the past few days.
Here is what both models look like…
A few parting comments…
– This is not going to be on par with the Ice Storms of 2009 and 2003 as those were historic storms that produced prolonged periods of freezing rain. This storm will be fast moving but will pack a serious punch and cause a lot of problems.
– I am more confident of the snow areas than anywhere else on the forecast map I have out. The rest of the region is dependent on when changes in precipitation type will take place. Either way… significant snow and ice is in the cards and its just a matter of how much of each will fall where you live.
– Looking down the road a bit… more snow chances will be likely from later in the weekend into much of Christmas week. We will watch a series of systems diving in from the northwest during this time. The upcoming weekend looks cold with the threat for single digits again by Sunday morning in some areas.
– Speaking of cold… this morning’s temps will be bitterly cold in many areas with some of the first sub zero readings of the winter expected for some. Track the lows here…
Low Temps
Ok… thats all you guys get for now as I will have many updates on our winter storm throughout the day so be sure to check back. Have a great Wednesday and take care.
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crud!!!! but maybe i’ll get more snow than you derek ๐ lol
oh Chris say it ain’t so! that looks disgusting.
Thanks for the update!! Now I think I can get some sleep. Sounds like it’s gonna be a little while til another forecast.
Well well well
It will be interesting to see what happens. For example, say it starts snowing heavily and accumulating……..Would that then shoot down the WAA to a point where perhaps it wouldn’t change to snow at all. Interesting scenario. Can’t wait to see what happens. Let’s hope there’s not ice damage. The Weather of Our Lives (new soap name)
Oh that Ice worries me.. ๐ฎ Im not sure I like this weather map.. i got alot of snow this past storm and it was nice. I really dont want to loose electric over ice.
WKYT isn’t giving any ice for my area i hope they are right but as unreliable as the TV mets have been for the last 2 storms i dont’ have much faith in what they are saying
power out in south lex since 4.30–no one seems to know why…
They also had the storm not getting past western KY until after Midnight.
okay..will somebody give me a update or something regarding these models or maps whichever..? my town in knox county..what do I expect? ice?? is it going to be ice? help! thanks…
6z nam hammering nky with snow
as of right now YES ice for us
snow/ice/ changing to plain ole rain I’d say…temps. are suppose to rise through the 30’s tonight with temps. spiking into the 40’s tomorrow..so the worst of it should be what ever happens overnight into early morning..
looks like west liberty,morehead, and ashland (CHRIS BAILEY)..are gonna be the SWEET spots for significant snow..I guess we’ll watch the webcams, and drool while its slush puppying here along the border..:(
already power problems..not good.
hey tim! give me a update for knox county..it says on the locals..we could get 1/2 inch of ice on both wed night and thursday morning?? is that bad news? and the big storm your talking about…tell me for this weekend, anyways thanks man! I just need to know because of the traveling i do alot.
red sky in morning. sailor take warning. does this hold true for snow/ice storms?
can somebody give me a update on my town…knox county as well? just curious. I gotta be out in this stuff, do we expect much ice?
I hate ICE! I do not want ICE! When exactly is this supposed to hit? Is it possible kids will be sent home early today from school? (I am in Fayette) Thanks for your thoughts! Stay safe and warm, everyone! Thanks so much, Chris, for all that you do for us!
So 18 hours of brutal ice, sleet, and snow is a “fast moving” storm? Dear God, what would a long-lived storm be like? *GASP* OK, seriously though…I don’t recall EVER having freezing rain that lasted more than a day. This is going to be bad. I can’t stress that enough. I hope people don’t fail to prepare… especially if they’ve been listening to Louisville mets. who don’t have access to the models apparently.
here in knox. we’ll probably have a period of snow/sleet that goes over to freezing rain for a while, then to just plain ole rain, as temps. are suppose to rise through the night tonight and be in the 40ish range tomorrow..so most likely after daybreak tomorrow things should be ok here along the border…BUT we’ll have to see
some things to watch here in southern ky…
1…how warm does it get today under sunny skies..If the temps. warm into the 30’s..with cloud cover before sundown, then less snow/ice..more rain
2..if the cloud cover holds off until after sunset and the temps. have time to drop significantly again then we get more snow/sleet/ice..but regardless these types of systems usually sends enought warm air into the cumberland valley area to push temps. into the 40’s with rain….
wxman, i agree…lets say the rain falls for only 10 hours and freezes (not sleet or snow) at a low dbz, i would say it will fall about .10 an hour, at a very minimum you would think we are looking at an inch of ice, correct? but what about everyone saying there is lots of lift and convective type frz rain would occur (say about .25 an hour)…we would be over 1.5 inches of ice! i didn’t think we were worried about a dry slot once it started, and it is supposed to occur for at leat 16 to 18 hours…so how can the max me .5 of ice? even the lou nws is now saying up to .6 of ice, and they are usually conservative before the storm hits.
No,no,no….Chris please move that line… School told the kids yesterday that classes would probably be canceled Thursday and Friday… That’s a first… Just need that snow line adjusted by one county…
yep, it was really red here in southern ky. this morning as well..
Wxman I agree with you, I live in Corydon IN which is Harrison County right were the pink bullseye is lol and we are only under a WWA and I just don’t get it. Ugggh
I don’t think Chris is really expecting any area to get 12 to 18 hours of ice. It will be 12 to 18 hours of snow, ice and or rain. Therefore, only part of it will be ice and I believe that is where the thinking of it not being as bad as 2003 and 2009 comes from. Additionally, when was the last time we saw places in Kentucky at minus 5 in December much less this early in December?
yes .25 to .5 of ice and 1 inch or so of heavy wet snow
first one went to moderation, so if 2 of the same comments pop up you’ll know why..
scenario’s for knox co. and along the border:
1..If we warm into the 30’s and cloudcover moves in before sunset..then it will be hard to get them to fall much tonight..meaning less snow/sleet/ice amounts and more plain rain..
2…If we get cloudcover either EARLY this morning while its still really cold(which will hold daytime temps. down) or cloudcover waits until after sundown tonight to roll in…meaning more radiational cooling and temps. fall before precip. starts…this scenario would yeild more snow/sleet/ice to rain..either way, tomorrow temps. will probably soar into the low 40’s with just plain rain…given the track record of these types of systems for the cumberland valley area…
then rain on thursday as temps. make a run for the low 40’s..
How about, “As the Weather Turns” ?
I was on my way to Lexington this morning and when I looked in my rearview mirror and saw the sun coming up I thought the very same thing.
I’m afraid this is going to be a MESS, with surface temps as cold as they are. Won’t that make things even worse???
reports already in Alabama of slick spots and around memphis of a wreck fatal due to ice on the roads.
Chris,
Your work ethic and commitment to your blog and your readers is epic. Thank you for your love of meteorology and for your willingness to share with us!
-West
It may get here sooner then what everyone thinks since its starting east of memphis and in Alabama right now.
“I’ve got a feelin..Whew-whoo tonights goin b a bad night, tonites gonna a be a real bad night…Tonights the night, its gonna Ice, say oh my GOSH”
I know everyone throws out the song “Ice Ice Baby”, but I thought of this tune…Oh well, Its gonna do what its gonna do. Can’t wait to hear from our fearless Prophet–just kiddin chris, you really are the man!
why do all the mets say precip wont arrive until around midnite, yet the nws issued the warning to begin at 4pm today? thats an 8 hour difference!! can anyone explain that one? i can see lou and lex at midnite, but others within 50 miles should start by 5 or 6 with frz rain already in memphis
So I’m in Scott Co and it looks like we are on the line of all snow. Hoping for snow & no ice.
moderation…”I’ve got a feelin, tonites goin b a bad nite, tonites gonna to b a real bad nite..tonites the night, its gonna ice, say O MY GOSH”
I know everyone sings the song “Ice ice baby”, but this came into my head..Its gonna do whats it gonna do…but I pray it will be snow. We are waiting to hear from our Prophet,,sorry Chris, just joking, you are the man!!
you all can listen to this feed very amazing being this far south
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=4727
morning all looks like a fun day ahead anybody been to walmart or krogers around nicholasville this morning just wondered if theres bread and milk left? what is the approx. time line for it to start around the lexington area?
TIMING…CLOUDS WILL INCREASE THROUGH THE DAY TODAY. SNOW SHOULD
BREAK OUT WEST OF I-75 VERY LATE IN THE AFTERNOON OR DURING THE
EARLY EVENING AND THEN QUICKLY OVERSPREAD THE REMAINDER OF THE AREA
THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE EVENING. STRONG LOW LEVEL JET NOSES INTO
THE AREA AFTER MIDNIGHT SO A PERIOD OF MODERATE TO HEAVY PRECIP IS
EXPECTED LATE IN THE NIGHT AND EARLY THURSDAY MORNING BEFORE FORCING
SHIFTS TO OUR EAST AND PRECIP INTENSITY WANES LATE THURSDAY MORNING
INTO THURSDAY AFTERNOON.
PRECIP TYPE AND AMOUNTS…SIDED HEAVILY WITH THE 15/00Z NAM WHEN
DETERMINING P-TYPE. EXPECT SNOW TO MIX WITH AND CHANGE TO SLEET AND
FREEZING RAIN UP THE CUMBERLAND VALLEY OVERNIGHT WITH THE CHANGEOVER
REACHING AN IRVINE TO JACKSON TO PIKEVILLE LINE BY DAWN ON THURSDAY.
A FURTHER CHANGEOVER TO RAIN WILL PROBABLY HAPPEN RATHER QUICKLY IN
OUR TENNESSEE BORDER COUNTIES…LIMITING ICE ACCUMULATIONS THERE TO
A 1/4 INCH OR LESS. LOCATIONS BETWEEN THE HAL ROGERS PARKWAY AND
MOUNTAIN PARKWAY WILL LIKELY EXPERIENCE SEVERAL HOURS OF FREEZING
RAIN AND/OR SNOW AND WILL LIE IN THE EPICENTER OF THIS STORM. WE
EXPECT A QUARTER TO HALF INCH OF ICE IN THIS CORRIDOR WITH 2 TO 4
INCHES OF SNOW POSSIBLE ON THE NORTHERN FRINGE. THERE WILL BE A
TIGHT CUT OFF FROM ICE TO SNOW…AND THE EXACT PLACEMENT OF THAT
LINE IS STILL UNCERTAIN. SNOW WILL BE THE PRIMARY P-TYPE ALONG
THE MOUNTAIN PARKWAY THROUGH EARLY THURSDAY MORNING AND MODEL QPF
SUGGESTS 3 TO 5 INCHES OF SNOW WILL BE POSSIBLE IN THIS CORRIDOR. IF
FREEZING RAIN MIXES IN EARLY THIS FAR NORTH (A LA THE 15/06Z NAM)
THEN SNOW ACCUMULATION WILL BE LESS BUT ICE ACCUMULATIONS WILL
APPROACH OR EXCEED 1/4 INCH. QPF SHOULD BE SLIGHTLY LIGHTER ALONG
AND NORTH OF I-64 LIMITING SNOW AND ICE ACCUMULATIONS THERE. IT WILL
TAKE A WHILE…BUT A CHANGEOVER TO RAIN SHOULD OCCUR ALL THE WAY TO
I-64 AT SOME POINT THURSDAY AFTERNOON. IN FACT…THE PRECIP MAY JUST
GO TO DRIZZLE THURSDAY AFTERNOON
You can speak for all of us here. The blog is uncomparable to anything else out there. We appreciate Chris’s enthusiasm, constant updates, and accurate forecasts.Keep up the great work.
i living in louisville and my met says dont worry no significant icing well i know not to listen to them, but what is louisville’s timeline for this?
12Z NAM = YIKES!
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/nam/12/images/nam_p24_030l.gif
12z Nam is colder! Maybe all snow for Lex and Lou.
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer//nam/12/nam_pcp024030_l.shtml
I agree…I live in Northern Scott Co. and we are RIGHT on the bubble line. I definetly don’t want ice. I’m preparing for either…just in case.
Thanks Chris; I get teased because I am such a weather watcher…but those that tease always come ask me what’s going on when the bad weather comes out…hmmm I just send them over to the best weather blog in the country…
Bah! Trickery! You are up to your dark Jedi mind tricks! Wait as sec, that would be the Sith…. Sorry ๐
Seth is correct. Thumping snow for Lex and NE of Lex, if the NAM is correct.
CB…You awake…Have you had a chance to analyze the 12z NAM…Looks very impressive for the LOU LEX corridor..Just took a peak at what Seth provided and if this holds true we are going to have issues in these areas….Map update???
So guys, do you think Berea will go above freezing and change to all rain Thursday??
Well, I am really hoping that it stays snow longer than freezing rain over the southern parts of the states. Otherwise, it is really going to be bad here, I am afraid.
Clouds are already moving in, and yes, I saw the red sky this morning, too, and thought the same thing!
Looks too close, you cant take the 540 line to be the true freezing line, looks like more snow but still not all snow…
IF is the major word in that statement.
What can London get out of this storm? Ice snow and or both?
Shewee, we warmed from 1 degree to 9 degree here in Danville with sunny skies.
You guys continue to amaze me…thanks for all the weather data. My husband and kids make fun of me getting so into listening to you guys. But who do they go to for a report….yes it is me! Thanks …
Wow, it IS getting bad. They are crashing left and right down there. Just non-stop wrecks and accidents and people falling on the ice.
Went from -1 to around 10 here. Make sure to use plenty of sunscreen, and stay hydrated so you don’t get a heat stroke.
2 of 3 Cincy mets are aligning with CB’s forecast. One of them along with Wilmington NWS still seems to be suffering from eggnog fog and are saying minor accumulations of 1-2 inches. I’m going with CB on this one. This blog rocks!
Latest NAM Freezing Rain accumulations: http://wxcaster4.com/nam/CONUS1_NAM212_SFC_ACCUM-FZRN_48HR.gif
Ewww!!!! Not good!
Can’t wait to see CB’s final call for this one in a couple of hours. I have a feeling he may be increasing the totals in a couple of areas. (just slightly of course)
This morning I made myself 4 pieces of toast instead of just 2. I put butter on 2 and jelly on the other 2. It was a pretty good breakfast.
Heck…The peeps in Lou can’t drive on one inch of snow…Put down two inches of snow and 1/4 of ice and we will see cars in ditches everywhere…LOL
NWS in Louisville just posted an update at 10:15am calling for more precip than that and upgrading advisories to warnings. Also talking heavy snow north of louisville/lexington with lots of ice in louisville. WOW
NWS in Wilmington upgraded Northern KY to a WSW.
Chris just tweeted the NAM is showing up to 12 inches of snow for NE Ky, would that include the Morehead/Rowan Co area? We are like an hour East of Lexington right along I-64…I really need to know what we are looking at..Can someone please give me their best “gues”? Greatly appreciate it..thanks.
I wanted to throw out this ETA model and compare to NAM & GFS when all plays out.
http://wxcaster4.com/nam/CONUS1_ETA212_SFC_ACCUMSNOWFALL-KUCHERA_24HR.gif
I went 7 days in Woodford county without electric during the last ice storm. Don’t want to repeat that. I’m praying for snow.
Can anyone put up the link to the new nam Chris is referring to?? Thanks!!! Let it snow…LOTS:)
just wondering can my posts actually be seen by anyone?? LOL..NEVER get a reply..I have funky internet connection, I can see them, but wondered if others can now…:)
I hope chris gives an update soon. Looks like Mercer county is not going to get much. I do NOT want ice !
No one ever answers me either…lol
Hey MikeM!!You ain’t a kiddin’ either. A work friend and I were talking about those horrible days last night! I don’t want a repeat of that experience!
First time went to Moderation so here goes again
Hey MikeM!!You ain’t a kiddin’ either. A work friend and I were talking about those horrible days last night! I don’t want a repeat of that experience!
I can see you all the way from northern Bell Co.!!!
He should be posting an update soon.
Hey MikeM!!You ain’t a kiddin’ either. A work friend and I were talking about those horrible days last night! I don’t want a repeat of that experience!
Hang in there Optimitistic. I consider Morehead to be in the Northeastern Kentucky snow show. I’m also considering Lexington to be in the Central Kentucky Ice Bowl. It’s going to be dangerous going to work tomorrow morning.
Thanks Jimmie I appreciate it! SO when Chris says the new NAM is now spitting out up to a foot of snow for NE Ky..that includes Morehead area? I took it that way but wasn’t sure ..appreciate the feedback man.
Looking more like CKY south of Georgetown isn’t gonna get much in the way of snow, but more ice…bummer
No problemo. I’d rather have Morehead’s forecast than Lexington.
oh im starting to get bummed with this nasty southern ky. forecast..while the SNOW TOTAL FORECAST is increasing for northern ky…:(
BUMMER, U ALL BETTER STARTT PRAYING that for once CHRIS THE LEGEND BAILEY IS WRONG.
half inch plus of ice will cripple areas. yea the rain melt it off but the damage will be done.
I am doing my WARM AIR DANCE at all levels so we get more rain than winter prevcip.
hoping for evap cooling that could possible keep us at all snow alot longer too.
new post!
oh well, I guess I cant really complain…I did get 6-8″ out of the last storm in my back yard :)…although the sun is doing its dirty work to it though..:(
No matter the storm, the Louisville NWS always says the significant snow will fall just north and east of Louisville. Calling for major ice in the city fits in with their idea the warm air always makes it to Louisville. Not saying they’re wrong, just this is what they often say.
The 12Z data is to be taken seriously. It is an initialized run of the model which means it has good data. It seems to show colder and snower just a bit farther south than the 0Z. Better for the ice to miss Louisville because it would cripple the city. If it’s farther south, that allows more crews to work on the southern counties.
I bought a whole home natural gas generator after January 2009 so I will have power, but this is worrisome.
26 degrees here in SW LEX, seems to be warming up quicker than expected, no complaint there.
Feels downright comfortable compared to the last few days though, especially with the sun.
TIM i say w get 55 plus inches and not much ice at all maybe a tenth or so.
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