Good Tuesday morning… again. After writing my original update… I stayed up to get a better look at some of the newer computer model runs and decided it was time to upgrade to a WINTER STORM ALERT for late Wednesday through Friday morning for the entire state. We will likely be facing significant amounts of snow and ice accumulation during this time.
After reviewing all the data… I am strongly leaning toward a fairly moisture laden event that can yield a lot of ice and snow to a lot of people. This could turn into a dangerous storm before all is said and done. I will try to nail down the specifics of how much snow and ice will fall and where with an update early this afternoon.
As I type this I see the NWS offices are sticking out Winter Storm Watches across much of the state for this storm.
My prior update goes as follows…
We have a lot of action on the table for the next few days as we shift into Winter Storm ALERT mode from late Wednesday through early Friday. I will talk more about that in a bit.
Before that… baby, it’s cold outside. Temps this morning will start out in the single digits and I fully expect some areas to go below zero… especially the western half of the state where skies will be clear. This is some serious cold for anytime of the year… especially in the middle of December.
Watch the lows and temps here…
Low Temps
Current Temps
Highs today will be near 20 in the north and east and low to mid 20s in the west.
There is still likely to be a plume of snow showers and flurries out there for the eastern half of the state… especially early. Some of these early can lay down some very light accumulations leading to more slick spots this morning. Track the remaining flakes here…
Our main focus is now on the Winter Storm ALERT for late Wednesday through early Friday. This is NOT going to be a big storm by low pressure standards. This will be a weak wave of low pressure crossing the Tennessee Valley Thursday that will throw overrunning moisture northward into our region. We will still have low level arctic cold air in place as a layer of slightly warmer and moist air moves in. This will produce a swath of snow and freezing rain into the region.
I continue to maintain the models will try to scour out the low level cold air much too quickly. Here is how the GFS sees this playing out…
Looking ahead to the weekend… many of the models have been pointing toward a big storm rolling out of the deep south and up the east coast. The GFS has actually been the most bullish in showing this…
Saturday Morning
Saturday Evening
Saturday Night
We shall see if the seasonal trend of storms to wrap up farther north and west comes into play with this one.
I will have another update on the snow and ice threat for the next few days coming later today so be sure to check back. Have a great Tuesday and take care.
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wow, starting to look more impressive the past few model runs, hopefully it’s a big winter storm for indiana, ohio, and kentucky
I hope we get another Major Winter Storm for this weekend that would be all snow. Im not looking forward to Wed and Thur with ICE…
Forecast hours are @ the bottom of the page on this link. Check out 45-69 hours out. Accumulating Ice on bottom right. This line could shift north/south. If played out .6-.8 inches of ice in KY. No fun!
http://coolwx.com/cgi-bin/getptype.cgi?region=us&model=nam&run=00&fhr=24&field=acctype
So where I live in Middlesboro we might get hit with a big ice storm?
It is still a ways out. However, for sure worth watching.
Thanks for the heads up! My electric is underground but still. Thats dangerous mode for that much ICE.
Thanks Chris for a second update tonight! Hopefully we will see more snow than Ice. Doubt that will happen. I was wondering when they would issue a Winter Storm Watch.
WINTER STORM WATCH is out for all of Eastern Kentucky for Wednesday and Thursday.
well before it goes to rain we in SE KY could see a half inch of ice. argggggggggggggggggggggggg
Rolo, I like how you use that reverse psychology on the weather. We all know you want it to pour SNOW, SLEET and ICE and just don’t want to think that it will happen over KY. I am up here in Lou. and we say THINK SNOW. I have been saying lately “think NO Snow”. LET IT POUR, LET IT POUR. This one could get really bad with all the cold air at the surface….
Here in Jeffersonville, Ky we are at 6.0 degrees right now, with about 1/2 inch of new snow from over night. It appears that we ended up with about 5 inches total out of this storm.
Good to see the “professional mets.” finally calling it like it is… a significant ice storm for our area. It’s time to get ready. This is a big deal. Thanks Chris.
JENKS i DO NOT WANT ICE, but yes I love abouyt 26 inches of snow thats for sue.
I just made a call to my guy, told him i liker a good generator before tomm. so if u see a guy on TV for stealing one that my guy.lol
From yesterday:
rolo wrote:
well andy get a good snowe then a flood, we will see nothing but rain.
All aboard the rolocoaster.
HPC still predicting .50 to .75 qpf for central Kentucky. Doomsday qpf for eastern Kentucky. If this is going to be all ice…………..
WOW u need to go back to ur pre school class, its CALLED MODELS u big dummy.
that what it look like, and if u put ur reeading glasses on i said ICE could get bad before WE as in my area go over to rain. geesh goota luv haters on a PROFFESIONAL CHRIS BAILEYU WEATHER BOARD.
its serious times with this sytem, not a time for u to be acting like a pre schooler.
morning fellow weather watchers. looks like here we snow again lol. looks like anouther lovely ice storm hoepfully we don’t loose power and i think we will have a 3 week xmas break in jessamine county going to try to make a hobby lobby run today. stay warm all and rolo I’m sure your guy won’t be the only one stealing generators this weekend. bring it on but let me get some more mt dew and stuff first.
Can someone tell me how much Ice we are predicted to get ? I live in Mercer county and Have children in the house to prepare for. Thank you :))
I agree ice can be very dangerous and wreak havoc on the power grid. We all know that from two years ago.
Oh Yeah! I will be right back, gotta go buy extra locks and chains for my generator….:)
You always make me smile, Rolo.
Looks the event ends in all rain for half the state…? Am I reading that right?
Hey guys make sure to join the East Kentucky Weather forums, we want everyones opinions/observations concerning this upcoming storm, there is already a thread for it in the current weather section..
And since I pretty much nailed it for my area with this past storm *boasting*
I’m going to call for .10″ of rain, 0.5″ of ice and 3″ of snow in the Pikeville area by Friday.
by the way the adress for that forum is
http://ekywx.freeforums.org
Hey I am just wondering if Knox Co. is going to see any of the sleet and ice, I hope not. I am not good at reading the models and Jim on Mountain 57 is showing us in all rain. I am just want to know what you all think.
I hope the weather stays ok for the rest of the day.
Yeah. It one that I think they are finally getting down. And by the way, I’m from Lawrenceburg too, and I just wanted to hear your opinion on this for us. I make my own forecasts, but I like to hear everyone’s opinion.
I have 10 degrees in Pikeville.I dont want that mess to mess up my beautiful winter wonderland.The snow has finally stopped for now.No Ice pls but I am afraid thats where we are heading.
Does anyone have a forum for Central Ky (Frankfort area?) This stuff fasinates me. The charts confuse me but I am learning. I have arthritis and started out watching because the different pressures affected my arthritis. Now I am hooked.
Chris,WXMAN,Rolo, wondering what it looks like as of right now for the morehead/Ashland area && do you expect the winter storm watches to be issued for are area? Thanks!
What? In LMK’s multi media discussion it show the HPC having about a tenth of an inch to a quarter of an inch state wide. That map look WAY underdone, though.
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latest NAM looks like very little amounts of precip. for Lou. area. Little to no snow with a little freezing rain. This is not the Winter Storm that I was hoping for. Might as well be all rain.
That is really weird. Hasn’t the NAM had the most precip on it for the past few runs?
Funny how the NWS in Jackson is pulling the trigger on this winter storm, when even as the snow was piling up with the last system, they never upgraded most of their area to a winter storm watch or warning. Maybe they should spy on chris’ blog if they want to get an accurate take on how winter storms will pan out.
CB didn’t say anything about rain at all, even if the maps are showing it. He said “significant amounts of snow and ice.”
He also said the models are pushing the cold air out too soon.
That dreaded “I” word makes me shiver…do not want to be without my electricity.
Could never have lived before electricity, lol.
Thanks for the updates, CB.
Thanks to the coal miners and coal for the electricity!
here is what Joe Bastardi is saying for a WEEKEND STORM after the MID WEEK ICE STORM/SLOP!!
I expect modeling to consolidate on a healthy storm that will bring snow from the Tennessee Valley to the coastal mid- and north Atlantic states this weekend. A front runner is coming out and that is complicating matters, but the upper pattern over the weekend is favorable for snow fairly far back and the surface pattern, should correct toward it.
TL…I stand corrected. Just looked at the 12z NAM. http://www.wunderground.com/modelmaps/maps.asp?model=NAM&domain=US
Looks very impressive!!! I must have looked at another model earlier. Hopefully this is SNOW / SLEET / ICE and no rain. I hate cold rain.
Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
I was noticing in Northcentral Tenn they have each section on a map with what to expect. The far northeastern part is calling for a inch of snow and a 1/4 inch of ice. The farther east you go the much worse for both in snow and ice. Wish our NWS would put a map out like this one for all of us in Kentucky.
I couldnt agree more.
Click on level and you can add precip. type and then animate.
Here is the map….http://www.srh.noaa.gov/bna/
hey brandon im just north of you in Barbourville, and these types of systems are notorious for going over to rain fairly quickly in our area..but we’ll have to see, we may get some snow but im sure by thursday our area will go above freezing…
we’ll probably get a little snow/sleet then it’ll more than likely turn to rain pretty fast down here along the border. these type of systems usually go over to rain for our area more than likely we’ll see temps. in the low 40’s on thursday with rain…(in southern ky.) some wher along the northern edge of the precip..wherever it sets up may get a good thumping of snow/sleet accumulation…
Here’s a neat run of the Nam and GFS,,Take a look and see what you think?
http://www.southernnewenglandweather.com/p/extended-outlook-graphic.html
So Middle Tenn will get more than us? Thats weird.
Im hearing 2 inches of snow then .45 of ice for us here.
I am getting worried about this storm coming!! Is this going to be as bad as the last ice storm we got??? I REALLY hope not!!!
I’ll take 25 inches of snow over an inch of ice…I dislike ice storms!
I was just looking at the first few frames of the new 12Z GFS and NAM. Both seem to show ice all the way into southern Indiana with reasonable amounts of precipitation. I think Louisville could be in line for a serious ice event.
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/nam/12/images/nam_p36_060s.gif
Where on EARTH are they getting these totals from?? NAM clearly shows up to 1.00″ of precip. with this storm! Most of this will be freezing rain with sleet/snow mixed in. This is a BIG storm people! The forecasts I’m reading are baffling.
I would love to see a map showing how much and what for each area. Like Tennessee has done.
Looking like cky will get smacked!!!! :/
This may be ’09 all over again!!!! 🙁
Chris said that he would try to give more details as far as “amounts” go in his early afternoon update. Hopefully this will help us out as we all prepare for the storm.
can anyone predict what kind of snow it will be,if it snows first?the fine fluffy kind or a wet snow?? A wet snow followed by ice dont sound too good for the electric…
Wave 3 participated in a conference call with LMK earlier. LMK said 1/10″ to 1/4″!!! I’m pretty sure that they are really under-estimating that, unfortunately.
Man I hope not. Being in Western KY for that event made me vow to hate ice for the rest of my life.
And the scary thing is, the NWS just had a conference call with the media, and they are somewhat downplaying this storm… still! They are obviously banking on the temperature going above freezing quickly…while the models do not show this, and the models may even be too warm. They are either going to be right, or look like fools. One of the two. Personally, I’m going to err on the side of caution.
The forecasters will earn their money on this next system. The models have been coming around to a wetter system than first thought. This isnt the problem, temp profiles at the surface will be the tricky thing to nail down. 2-3 degrees will be the difference between shivering in the cold and dark with no heat, or watching a cold dreary rain wash away our snow. I will take the latter of the two. If I had to choose.
They also are saying that Ice Storm warnings could be issued by this afternoon for central KY
This is not looking very good for cky. 🙁
WXMAN what station do u work for ?
What is the weather looking like for our area for Sunday and Monday of next week?
Not good, not good at all.
http://wxcaster4.com/nam/CONUS1_NAM212_SFC_ACCUM-FZRN_72HR.gif
Never hope for ice.
My thoughts below: What do you all think?
Based on 4am Tuesday SREF: (This is only my interpretation)
1. Thru Wed 4pm 2m temp 80-100% 32 or below except the far sw Ky.
2. Thru Wed night/Thurs morn 2m temp 80-100% 32 or below northeast of a line Louisville to Somerset to Williamsburg.
3. By 4am that line moves north with 40% 2m temp 32 or below Louisville to Somerset to Williamsburg.
4.By 10 am Thursday 32 or below north of I-64.
5.Freezing line stays north on Thursday 10am-7pm then starts moving back south.
6. After 7pm except for extreme south everything transistions back to frozen.
Wed-Thursday Night:
All areas to be impacted significantly. East and Southeast to get the brunt. Potentially a severe ice storm.
The best summation is Snow, sleet, freezing rain and rain. Rain should be a minor player. Highest risk area eastern and southeastern Ky. Moderate risk would be central and northern Ky. Significant risk southern Ky and lowest risk sw Ky.
My thoughts below: What do you all think?
Based on 4am Tuesday SREF: (This is only my interpretation)
1. Thru Wed 4pm 2m temp 80-100% 32 or below except the far sw Ky.
2. Thru Wed night/Thurs morn 2m temp 80-100% 32 or below northeast of a line Louisville to Somerset to Williamsburg.
3. By 4am that line moves north with 40% 2m temp 32 or below Louisville to Somerset to Williamsburg.
4.By 10 am Thursday 32 or below north of I-64.
5.Freezing line stays north on Thursday 10am-7pm then starts moving back south.
6. After 7pm except for extreme south everything transistions back to frozen.
Wed-Thursday Night:
All areas to be impacted significantly.
East and Southeast to get the brunt.
Potentially a severe ice storm.
The best summation is Snow, sleet, freezing rain and rain. Rain should be a minor player.
Highest risk area eastern and southeastern Ky.
Moderate risk would be central and northern Ky.
Significant risk southern Ky and lowest risk sw Ky.
My wife teaches for Knox Co. They just voted to have school next Monday and Tuesday. Already ALOT of angry parents. I dont blame them. They have done missed 6 days so far this year and probably a 7th one tomorrow.
wow, this storm is all over the place, depending on which chart you decide to look at. that is pretty scary, as I think it will even be hard for someone as good as Chris, to get this forecast map pinpointed. Whoever gets this one right is going to really earn their money!! So, just for fun, check out this make which puts total snowfall through 12Z Thursday! Let’s hope it’s more like this and less of the ICE that other models are putting out.
http://wxcaster4.com/nam/CONUS_ETA212_SFC_SNOWDEPTH_48HR.gif
NWS IN JKL WEATHER BRIEFING!!!
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/images/jkl/webbriefing/webbriefing.mp4
Chris did say the models were showing the warm air coming in too soon. Maybe this will stay snow a little longer. This map shows 3-4 inches for me on Wed and Thur. If this system moves 40-50 miles to the south it changes everything.
well they’ll probably miss then as well.
They did NOT play down the upcoming event. I was on the call and know what was said. They CLEARLY stressed that this system would have major impacts across the region.
OF COURSE, JESSAMINE CO STUCK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE…I THINK THE LOCAL LEX TV METS AND NWS ARE DOWNPLAYING THIS TOO MUCH. I WOULD RATHER HAVE THEM OVER-ESTIMATE AMOUNTS WHEN IT COMES TO ICE AND HAVE PEOPLE BETTER PREPARED ANYWAYS, THAN HAVE THEM UNDERESTIMATE AND CATCH ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE (THOSE WHO DON’T FOLLOW CHRIS “THE LEGEND” BAILEY’S BLOG) OFF GUARD. SNOW IS ONE THING TO BLOW A FORECAST ON, ICE HOWEVER, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS AREA’S RECENT HISTORY, IS NOT SOMETHING TO MISS. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT UNLIKE THE ICE STORM A FEW YEARS BACK, IT WILL BE QUITE A BIT COLDER WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, COMPARED TO LAST TIME. THE GENERAL PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE PREPARED IN CASE OF POWER LOSSES. I’M NOT TRYING TO SOUND LIKE A WEATHER “DOOMSDAYER”, BUT I JUST THINK THIS STUFF IS NOT SOMETHING TO MESS WITH…I DO GIVE THEM PROPS THOUGH FOR HAVEING A WINTER STORM WATCH OUT NOW. SIDE NOTE, A BIG THANKS TO ALL YOU WEATHER GUYS AND GALS OUT THERE. IN ADDITION TO CHRIS’S HARD WORK, YOU ALL MAKE THE BLOG A GREAT SOURCE FOR WINTER WEATHER INFO…
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yeah, my kids said they told them last week that if they miss this week they would have to go next week on mon./tue..even if they do GO, how may families have already scheduled out of town trips for Christmas…they will probably loose money big those 2 days…
*HAVING
(I NEED TO PROOF-READ MY COMMENTS BEFORE I SUBMIT, LOL)
thanks for putting th map up tornadolarkin you just ruined my day like nate im in jessamine county and we are in the heaviest icing. Looks like i am stuck with dad and my autistic daughter going nuts cause shes gonna be outta routine. stay warm and keep up us to date.
Rolo always makes me smile too.Rolo whats the song for the day? Is it Ice Ice Baby I hope not.
I think this storm is going to surprise a lot of people because the Gulf of Mexico is open for business. I see a lot of moisture streaming up here to give Kentucky and West Virginia one heck of a storm. I look for 3-6 inches of snow before a change over to freezing. freezing rain total could .50-.75 inches. This is going to be a dangerous storm, today and tomorrow morning would be the time to stock up.
Hi Conor…are you from SFA? I hope that your forecast is right!
I agree our coal miners are a special breed of people and also Thanks to the Pike County and Pikeville city road workers great job guys.
I need a generator all I need is the power to go off with me so sick.
YOU MAY BE RIGHT. I THINK THAT FREEZING LINE WILL STAY PRETTY CLOSE TO I-64
MY REASONS:
*VERY COLD RIGHT NOW, WILL TAKE AWHILE TO DISLODGE THIS COLD AIR MASS
*SOLID SNOW COVER ON THE GROUND, WHICH WILL HELP PULL THE TEMPS DOWN A DEGREE OR TWO.
*HISTORY. SOUTH CENTRAL KY/CENTRAL KY DOESN’T CATCH BREAKS WHEN IT COMES TO ICE! OR AT LEAST IT SURE SEEMS THAT WAY…
JUST MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS. I TOOK 3 YEARS OF METOEROLOGY BEFORE SWITCHING MY MAJOR TO BUSINESS, BUT I IN NO WAY AM ANY KIND OF PROFESSIONAL. I JUST LOVE WEATHER! THIS IS SIMPLY A GUESS ON MY PART:
I THINK THE HARDER HIT AREAS WILL BE FROM A LINE FROM E-TOWN TO LEX TO MOREHEAD AND POINTS SOUTH AND EAST.
You can think wonderful Walter T. Hullett for this What a scumbag
any thoughts on the lexington or georgetown area?
What are your thoughts for Southern Indiana and the Louisville area?
from what i have read you better hit the grocery today or do what you need to look at the map tornado larkin put up for ice. we are in the heavy icing area.
Yes, I am from SFA.
agreed!!!! 😀
Laurel was already scheduled to go Mon/Tues next week… :/
Yes. Alot have done said they will not send their kids! Probably be the 2 easiest days to be a teacher. lol
the link lead me to some random chat room. they WERE NOT talking about an ice storm.
Waiting for Chris to update to hear a real forecast instead of the terrible mets in Louisville. I have a feeling they are going to be in for a good surprise. They are downplaying ice totals and insist that there will be a changeover to rain at the end, totally ignoring the fact that temps will be cooler due to the snow pack that models can’t predict.
Is it just me but why is this system being downplayed by others it seems? gfs showing 6-8 of snow with ice and the nam showing 1” of ice for lex…this seems like kinda a big deal. anyone notice the northern stream of moisure trying to trail in here from the upper midwest on the models…what’s that all about?
Well, here’s hoping EVERYONE is wrong about the ice haha..snow is good…So does it look like Morehead area is in line for all this ice? It seems like it from what I can decipher on the maps and reading the messages??
THat’s what i was thinking too…just wanted to be sure. It seems like it bounces around a bit, but all signs point to nasty stuff coming
They are downplaying this system big time. I am really in line with what you are thinking on the cooler thing.
I have to get this off my chest…this is for anyone who follows or has followed WAVE3 in Louisville over the years. Is it just me, or does Andy Weingarten=Tom Wills, and Brian Goode=John Belski(not as good. But, better than I thought they would get to replace the great Belski). Anyway, I literally JUST watch the NOON forecast by Brian Goode, and he gives a forecast for temps to not get above 32 in the METRO area, with a chance for 1 to 4 inches if it stays all snow and sleet or .1″ to .5″ if it’s a mostly freezing rain event. So, Andy What’s his name, has to throw he 2 dimes in from “home” he says, and says he thinks we WILL get to 33 or 34, basically downplaying the event saying it’s not going to be ’09 or ’94 by any means because it’s a fast mover and doesn’t have much QPF. He thinks it will be all rain (that freezes) for Louisville from 3am-9am. Ok then…I know we are all entitled to our opinions. But, he seriously just walked all over Brian Goode’s forecast on air! Aren’t these guys supposed to be on the same page working for the same station and informing similiar data to all of us, rather than confusing the entire viewing area with different forecast?!? Hence, this is what Tom Wills used to do to John Belski repeatedly over the years! ok, I would LOVE feedback from ppl on this subject, lol…
What is SFA?
I rread that exact thing by Andy, and I said to myself, “is he insane?” The snow pack will keep temps down all across cky, and the NAM and GFS are really becoming consistent with pretty high QPF.
Andy is just like Tom Wills. They just want to down play this system. But one thing they need to realize is that we have not had a system use gulf energy in quite some time. The gulf is ready to explode and I think they will be upping their totals during the events unless the models can get a better grip.
It is totally ridiculous how there will be two posts contradicting each other on their blog. I wish Belski would start up his own blog like Chris
So, according to Chris’s tweet some areas have been upgraded to Winter Storm Warning, but it isn’t showing up on the NWS page.
Don’t forget that Louisville has virtually no snowpack to work with now, we still have several inches on the ground in the Bluegrass region. Louisville city always reads warmer than the outlying areas, so a 33 there would not be a surprise.
Agree 100%, Tom wills has always been notorious for downgrading every winter storm over the years, & Andy drinks from that same cup. One would think the same station would have some kind on consensus.
(p.s. Oh Tom was burnt big time by dusting 98! 🙂
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